1st post and I wish it was one raving about how much I haved loved using the Ps2a this past year. Unfortanately it’s dealing with trying to incorporate the Cyclops into the rig. Tried to use the Cyclops to avoid disconnecting to use preamp with Ps2 which is the purpose. But seems it may not be possible utilizing 4 cable method. Dan from the support says manual adresses this, so I asked what page is that ( it doesn’t) . The whole purpose of this for many is not only as a attenuator but for a amp without a loop. I can’t imagine why make a product to add one thing and yet negate the other main purpose of the Ps2. Perhaps someone has some insight. My attempt produced zero sound. Best case scenerio I am blind and the manual goes into detail about this of which I apologize for my ignorance. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Hi Brian,
I would connect like this and use the FX loop of the power station for all FX. This would be an equivalent 4 Cable Method. If I have misunderstood something please send a signal path diagram.
Hi Dan, I really appreciate the response. I was so excited to get this and therefor really bummed when I couldn’t get any sound. I think the part that is perhaps causing the issue of confusion is that I am using the boss ms3 with Ps2 which is why I made the comment on hear and in my email. I saw this but it does not address the set up of the ps2 modeler multi fx diagram adding preamp and cylops. So according to the Ps2 manual diagram it has me place Guitar to in of Ms3, the fx send(loop 2) from the boss to the amp in and the out from the boss to the fx return of ps2. PS2 fx send to the to the return of boss loop 2. This way my effects in loop 3 and any ms3 blocks place after are using the loop. So when I saw the diagram you referred to I don’t see how it would solve the problem. Am I missing something?, So that diagram is my current path. I just need to add 2nd Preamp and cyclops and be able to have preamps before loop 3 of boss ms3 like before. Lastly I thought responding here would be helpful to someone else in the future and save you guys a phone call as I am sure others will use it this way and currently there is no talk of such a setup anywhere. Btw I did test as a regular setup and both amp and preamp sounded fantastic.
Hi @briguy64
Thanks for coming back and for sure it’s a valuable question! We want the forum to have lots of discussion and different ways of using Fryette gear.
Is it too much to ask if you sketch this on a piece of paper and upload a photo? That way you will really help me or anyone else in the community that is trying to answer. The easier you can make it for us the better the answer you will get.
Hi Dan, I can certainly do that and will upload tomorrow. Have a great night and thank you for your help : )
Hi Dan, seems my user status won’t let me upload anything apart from a link, which depicts the setup as good as can be… Since last reply I hooked up everything how I had it as shown in the diagram above except this time none of my modulation effects after the preamp loop would work. So I checked all cables, took apart everything including the power station to see if something had effected the fx loop. I saw nothing and only did so because earlier the plastic jack of fx in had been broken for some time and though securing it and working previously, I thought it may be a issue. Yet nothing again after preamp through loop. So I decided to scrap the loop all together and use fx before amp and hook up the Cyclops with preamp per manual, despite the fact I bought the ps2 mainly for the fx loop. So after 8 hours of trying to figure why the hack things have change I was finally able to actually play some music through my amp preamp with the cyclops to ps2. My advise to anyone is, if your using the fx currently in your PS and it’s essential. Don’t bother with the Cyclops. Thank you for your time Dan.
Hi Brian,
Firstly, I’m really sorry you had a frustrating time with the Cyclops. If I am honest I am still struggling to understand the connections! It would seem possible. I am trying to get a Cyclops myself. I might be able to report back.
Secondly, I checked the site settings and new users can indeed upload image files. There is a size limit, so just make sure it is no more than a few MB and you can upload what you want.
Hey Brian,
Before you get too disenchanted, you might want to try a progressive approach.
Frankly I tried drawing out your rig from the description your wrote out and it seemed to make sense, though I didn’t connect the pedal chain yet.
First, forgetting the MS-3 and the various pedals for the moment, connect the Cyclops to the PS and your amp and preamp together. Check to make sure that works as expected. You’re going to be switching between the preamp and amp without having to disconnect anything. If so, proceed to the next step.
Next, add the MS-3 and a couple of front end pedals only in the MS-3 loops. Guitar > MS-3 > Cyclops. Don’t connect the PS loop yet.
Does that work? It should as long as you are only connecting the front end pedals and MS-3. Keep in mind if you are using a pedal power supply for the pedals and MS-3, it must not share a ground path to the PS,
Finally, add, say a delay pedal into the PS loop. Do not connect this pedal to the MS-3.
The problem you’re going to run into here is that you cannot use a single MS-3 looper to switch the pedals in the the front end and the effects in the PS Loop. Even an isolated power supply will be problematic because any ground path that joins the front end of the amp and the PS loop will cause problems. The is because the MS-3 does not offer ground isolated loops.
The Cyclops does have very good isolation to help alleviate this problem, but again, sharing an FX switcher and power supply between the pedals in front and the pedals in the loop will be what you have to avoid.
There are compact multi-loop pedal switchers that have one or two loops which are ground isolated from the other loops in the same box, and they exist for this very reason.
Dave
I appreciate the Help Dave. Part of my confusion was due to before the cyclops, I used the modeler 4cm schematic with the PS and everything worked great. So I unfortunately expected adding the Cyclops would not effect that. I have put everything in the front end and it works perfectly and sounds great. I just needed to change how I set my effects not using the loop. I actually am enjoying not having so many long cables back and forth. Thank you both for your time in this matter.
Happy to just be playing again. Lesson learned was, there is a reason the KISS method exists.